IRC log of #dokuwiki @ irc.freenode.net

For Saturday, 24 November 2012

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    dokucommit
    [dokuwiki] splitbrain pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/X0-d7w
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    dokucommit
    dokuwiki/master b7183bb Andreas Gohr: GeSHi update to 1.0.8.11
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    flam
    Hi, I just have some time to improve and check the Manual at dokuwiki.org. Is it possible to get upload rights? I would like to add some images and there is no group for the manual to ask for.
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    Michitux
    flam: afaik only andi (splitbrain) and anika (selfthinker) can give upload rights and afaik it's not that easy to get them, i.e. it is likely you will be told to use an external image hoster
  26. message at
    flam
    Michitux: okay, thats another way. Not handy but a "workaround". Thank you =)
  27. message at
    Michitux
    you could also host them externally and then ask if they could be transferred to dokuwiki.org
  28. message at
    flam
    thats the plan, i dont like freehosters ;)
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    selfthinker
    hi flam
  31. message at
    flam
    hi selfthinker
  32. message at
    selfthinker
    plugin:imageshack is installed on dokuwiki.org, just click on "Upload on ImageShack" in the media manager
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  34. message at
    flam
    thank you, I will check this out later, I do some cleaneup at the moment
  35. message at
    selfthinker
    great
  36. message at
    selfthinker
    I saw that Klap-in and Alexandr were good boys and fixed all the syntax links :)
  37. message at
    Michitux
    hm, changing all links to a page could be easily implemented with my pagemove code. the only question is what kind of user interface I should implement...
  38. message at
    flam
    Yep, thats great. The wiki needs some cleanup, the documentation is important for a DOKUwiki :D
  39. message at
    flam
    It could be done with the pagemove code but isnt it a task for a so called "bot" in mediawiki?
  40. message at
    Michitux
    these bots are also just pieces of software that edit the wiki content via some API
  41. message at
    selfthinker
    flam, I was just talking to splitbrain, and we have decided to add a group for the (non-existing) "Documentation Team" whose members will be allowed to upload images ... I'll put you in and Klap-in as well ... just give me 5 minutes
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    flam
    I know, its great to have this functionaloty in the pagemove plugin, but I think to do such search an replace jobs its better to do this with a bot script. its just a feeling
  43. message at
    flam
    selfthinker: oh cool, thank you =)
  44. message at
    Michitux
    it wouldn't be a "search and replace" but rather "move page A to B without moving the actual page"
  45. message at
    Michitux
    and what my code does is a lot more intelligent than a search and replace on text level
  46. message at
    flam
    I know what your code does, I meant in general
  47. message at
    selfthinker
    flam, done, you should be able to upload now ... if not, please let me know
  48. message at
    Michitux
    but the bot would still need to use the full dokuwiki environment and I don't see why this shouldn't be an admin plugin
  49. message at
    flam
    selfthinker: yes it works, thank you
  50. message at
    flam
    Michitux: you're right the normal user wants an admin plugin.
  51. message at
    flam
    My first thought was that it could be a proof of concept for the XML-RPC API, but an external tool is too laborious.
  52. message at
    Michitux
    my current implementation (that I still need to upload) uses the full dokuwiki parser and metadata index
  53. message at
    flam
    nice, I cant wait to update. What about memory usage in wikis with > 5000 articles?
  54. message at
    Michitux
    you mean with pagemove?
  55. message at
    Michitux
    I have changed how the plugin applies the changes to the actual page content
  56. message at
    Michitux
    the plugin only writes some metadata for each page that needs to be changed, the actual content is changed the next time the page is displayed
  57. message at
    Michitux
    and the list of pages is loaded from the index, i.e. this is as fast as listing the backlinks for the page that shall be moved
  58. message at
    Michitux
    and it's all still experimental, this whole link rewriting is quite complex if you don't want to do the easiest thing
  59. message at
    Michitux
    (i.e. I try to preserve the original syntax as much as possible)
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  61. message at
    flam
    thats why many before gave up
  62. message at
    Michitux
    I solved the general problem, i.e. getting the links and just the links
  63. message at
    Michitux
    I've used a new approach that - afaik - nobody else has tried before
  64. message at
    flam
    is the function to update the current page a stand alone function? like eg. update($id); ?
  65. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, flam, I'm not sure if moving the deprecated tips is a good thing ... it looks like those you moved are not relevant at all anymore, so I would be bold and just delete them
  66. message at
    Michitux
    flam: currently not really, but it's easy to move it into the helper
  67. message at
    selfthinker
    if it's something that is just for an older version, it could be kept because someone might want to update it ... otherwise if it hasn't been updated since ages, it's an indication that no-one is interested in that fix anyway
  68. message at
    flam
    selfthinker: the question here is, do we support older versions? I moved the pages to make later revision easier
  69. message at
    selfthinker
    officially we support 2 iterations, not more
  70. message at
    selfthinker
    but I feel like keeping stuff for maybe 2 years makes (so, 4 iterations) makes sense
  71. message at
    flam
    Michitux; its not important but maybe something for the roadmap in XX 2013, if its easy to call its easy to make a shellscript for cron
  72. message at
    selfthinker
    some of the stuff that you've moved is not just old, it's very, very old ... so you're not moving "sick code" to the sick room, you're moving dead code to the cellar, instead of burying it ;-)
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    Michitux
    flam: with my current implementation you can implicitly process all pending updates by rebuilding the search index :)
  75. message at
    flam
    Michitux: perfect!
  76. message at
    Michitux
    and after a larger number of moves it is a good idea to rebuild the search index anyway
  77. message at
    flam
    selfthinker: I know its only moving but i din't dare to delete someones hard work
  78. message at
    selfthinker
    good documentation is often about deleting things
  79. message at
    selfthinker
    a bit like design ... "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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    YoBoY
    french thinkers…
  81. message at
    selfthinker
    if you don't want to be bold, because you feel it's impolite, I can go ahead and delete them ... then you can feel better by pointing the finger at *me* :)
  82. message at
    selfthinker
    btw, it would be great if we had some statistics how many people have visited those pages during the last year or so ... I think for most of them it would be '0'
  83. message at
    dommel1
    imho: if a tip (or anything else) won't work with the current stable we can just delete it
  84. message at
    selfthinker
    dommel1, I wouldn't go as far as only "the current stable" ... as I mentioned earlier, we support 2 iterations
  85. message at
    YoBoY
    for the documentation on my wiki, we delete when an information is no more valid for all the supported versions. if it's only working for some version, we add this information
  86. message at
    selfthinker
    it would also be great to weed out some plugins that way ... although in that case I would only add a filter to the main table: if it doesn't work in any of the latest 4 versions, don't display it
  87. message at
    YoBoY
    but this can make pages hard to read
  88. message at
    selfthinker
    for the plugin weeding we would need https://github.com/splitbrain/dokuwiki-plugin-pluginrepo/issues/27 though
  89. message at
    dommel1
    selfthinker: yes, but: we have the two iterations in the core code - so the tip has these two iterations ;-) when some deprecated code is removed we can remove the documentated tip as well
  90. message at
    Michitux
    yeah, I also wanted that not compatible because as soon as you use jquery the plugin is no longer compatible with older versions and it's not "unknown"
  91. message at
    selfthinker
    dommel1, what do you mean with "we have two iterations in the core code"? ... although we try to make things backwards-compatible, it doesn't really always work that way
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    dommel1
    selfthinker: i.e. the jquery stuff - it's deprecated but you can still use it. the tips using the old js are still working (but should be also deprecated). when the old js stuff is removed from the core, the documentation should also be removed (both had two iterations) -> the documentation should always reflect the current stable
  94. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    moin :)
  95. message at
    selfthinker
    moin, ThomasWaldmann
  96. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xswkeQOle58&feature=plcp < :(
  97. message at
    dommel1
    selfthinker: imho we have that two iteration deprecation thing implicit in the documentation, caused by the two iteration core deprecation
  98. message at
    flam
    I think you have to seperate documentation (manual, dev) and other articles
  99. message at
    selfthinker
    dommel1, yes, the jQuery case is one case where it works that way, but there are many cases where it doesn't
  100. message at
    selfthinker
    ... e.g. the toc styles
  101. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    ThomasWaldmann reported the moin video of that user as inappropriate (spam/mass advertisement)
  102. message at
    flam
    2 iterations for the manual is okay, but for the tips its too less
  103. message at
    Michitux
    wtf? what the author claims is so wrong! he claims that dokuwiki developer team was an offshoot from the mediawiki team!
  104. message at
    selfthinker
    WTF? that youtube video is full of errors?
  105. message at
    selfthinker
    and he said it consists of several "mini platforms" ... what's that even supposed to mean?
  106. message at
    dommel1
    maybe we should have something like the ubuntuusers wiki - a better "visulaisation" on which version a tip work
  107. message at
    Michitux
    dokuwiki installations I think
  108. message at
    selfthinker
    apparently it "looks" like a blog
  109. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    selfthinker: it seems that the main point of those videos are instructing other idiots how they can place spam links on wikis, blogs, etc.
  110. message at
    selfthinker
    what are "do follow links"?
  111. message at
    Michitux
    links without rel="nofollow"
  112. message at
    selfthinker
    tss
  113. message at
    YoBoY
    the best "wiki like" for olding versions is support mozilla
  114. message at
    YoBoY
    (for me))
  115. message at
    selfthinker
    ThomasWaldmann :(
  116. message at
    selfthinker
    that's sad
  117. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    i just wanted to tell, maybe some people of your community want to report that stuff.
  118. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    it's not like one would really need a video to learn how to put a link on a wiki, but i think this guy should get kicked
  119. message at
    selfthinker
    what is "IP spread"? is that trying to spam from different IPs?
  120. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    it's all about (bad) "SEO" and abusing pagerank of other sites
  121. message at
    Michitux
    the idea is that search engines value links higher when they come from different ip ranges as then it's more unlikely that these are your own sites
  122. message at
    flam
    do or do not follow links are AFAIK no longer important for SEO
  123. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, kicking from where? from youtube? ... I don't think telling users how to put links is bad in general ... it's only the intention that's bad
  124. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    yes, and as you see from the guys name, this is his only intention
  125. message at
    selfthinker
    and we actually have a mechanism in place that will put nofollow to freshly added links
  126. message at
    selfthinker
    it seems he's selling lists of URLs to spam
  127. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    ThomasWaldmann just found that accidentally while looking for moin talks on youtube
  128. message at
    Michitux
    actually we mark all freshly changed pages as noindex,nofollow
  129. message at
    selfthinker
    Michitux, it's a config option, so there might be a lot of wikis out there which don't have that
  130. message at
    flam
    there is a skype name in the video ;)
  131. message at
    selfthinker
    is spamming officially *illegal* in some countries?
  132. message at
    Michitux
    wait, actually we have config:relnofollow ?
  133. message at
    Michitux
    I only thought about config:indexdelay which is 5 days per default
  134. message at
    selfthinker
    and config:indexdelay
  135. message at
    selfthinker
    I sometimes find completely unmaintained wikis which are full of spam ... in those cases the maintainers are as much to blame as the spammers
  136. message at
    Michitux
    so in other words: these spammers won't have much luck unless the admin has changed the relnofollow configuration option
  137. message at
    selfthinker
    well, I can imagine that his big dokuwiki link list only contains wiki for which he already knows that you will be lucky
  138. message at
    selfthinker
    ... i.e. where wiki admins have changed those config options
  139. message at
    selfthinker
    at least the one wiki he demonstrated had no nofollow
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  141. message at
    selfthinker
    I'm in two minds about this change https://www.dokuwiki.org/namespaces?rev=1353506927&do=diff
  142. message at
    flam
    its not important but the truth
  143. message at
    selfthinker
    on the one hand dokuwiki only comes with *one* namespace, on the other hand it has several links to [[playground:playground]] in its core ... so people are likely to use it and *then* they will have 2 namespaces
  144. message at
    flam
    i just installed it fresh
  145. message at
    flam
    and there was a playground namespace
  146. message at
    selfthinker
    nope, there isn't
  147. message at
    selfthinker
    https://github.com/splitbrain/dokuwiki/tree/master/data/pages
  148. message at
    Michitux
    iirc it's only in the release tarball
  149. message at
    selfthinker
    aaah, okay, that might be
  150. message at
    flam
    http://dw.aixitus.org/doku.php?id=start&do=index
  151. message at
    flam
    fresh installation
  152. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDMKfZZUYlo&feature=related 9:20
  153. message at
    selfthinker
    yup, Michitux#'s explanation makes sense
  154. message at
    Michitux
    it's here in the tarball build script: https://www.dokuwiki.org/devel:release_process#tarball_build_script
  155. message at
    selfthinker
    is that a good or a bad sign that I don't know all those bad SEO terms?
  156. message at
    selfthinker
    "tier 1 link"?
  157. message at
    selfthinker
    watching those videos makes me sick :(
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  159. message at
    Michitux
    selfthinker: I guess knowing some of this (bad) seo stuff is useful, but of course not in the way these people intend to use it ;)
  160. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-h8z28nLvk
  161. message at
    selfthinker
    it seems ThomasWaldmann's task for today is make me vomit ;-)
  162. message at
    selfthinker
    well, it's always good to know your enemies, I suppose (meaning those spammers)
  163. message at
    selfthinker
    the last two videos were to show that dokuwiki seems to be less targeted than other wiki engines, right?
  164. message at
    Michitux
    the question is: for how long?
  165. message at
    Michitux
    or rather: when do they add dokuwiki support?
  166. message at
    Michitux
    but I don't think we can do anything apart from offering good captcha plugins
  167. message at
    selfthinker
    theoretically I would like to flag those videos, but I know that in reality it won't help a bit
  168. message at
    selfthinker
    don't fight spammers, *filter* them ;-)
  169. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    well, i guess google also dislikes that kind of seo, so there is some chance.
  170. message at
    flam
    I think there will be no change if this videos will vanish from youtube
  171. message at
    flam
    there is a market for this software
  172. message at
    flam
    but wikis are not worth spamming if there is an active community
  173. message at
    flam
    only orphaned, misconfigured, and not updated wikis are affected
  174. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    it also affects life wikis, it's annoying
  175. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    we should have rel="dontlikethat" :D
  176. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, is tips:deprecated:dom.disable_image_src_set really deprecated?
  177. message at
    flam
    if you set this option, you should know what you do
  178. message at
    flam
    its no longer in the menu
  179. message at
    flam
    only in about:config
  180. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, it seems this is only about changing it back to its default, so there should be no security implication
  181. message at
    selfthinker
    what do you mean by "no longer in the menu"?
  182. message at
    ThomasWaldmann
    ThomasWaldmann is leaving, have a nice day...
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  188. message at
    flam
    in firefox 1.5 was an option called javascript options
  189. message at
    flam
    there you could disable this function
  190. message at
    selfthinker
    ah, you mean that's because it's less likely people will have changed this option?
  191. message at
    selfthinker
    because = why
  192. message at
    flam
    if you modify your proxy settings in your brwoser and and there is no connection to dokuwiki.org do we provide help? :D
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  194. message at
    selfthinker
    it all depends on the likelihood of people doing that ... if there was a stupid trending article of advising people to do that, then yes, we should have a page explaining it
  195. message at
    flam
    This option is not set by default in any modern browser, if you set it, you know what you do. But we can keep this article if you think its important.
  196. message at
    selfthinker
    no, I'm just trying to evaluate how important or unimportant it really is, because I don't know much about the subject matter
  197. message at
    selfthinker
    I just deleted it
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  199. message at
    selfthinker
    splitbrain just gave me access to google analytics ... that page was viewed 26 times during the last month ... but it was also linked from faq:toolbar, so it might have been just from people wanting to go through all of those described steps to get their toolbar back
  200. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, dokubot didn't pick up that link ... can I get a beer?
  201. message at
    selfthinker
    :)
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  203. message at
    flam
    there was a problem with js and the toolbar, with the same effect
  204. message at
    flam
    I think I'm one of the 26, so there are 25 left
  205. message at
    selfthinker
    so, that means we *do* need that page?
  206. message at
    selfthinker
    if you needed it, why do you think it's deprecated then?
  207. message at
    flam
    what do you think of a short mention in the toolbar faq with a link to mozilla knowledge base?
  208. message at
    flam
    actual it was a copy of http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries#DOM.
  209. message at
    selfthinker
    again, why do you think it's deprecated if its content are apparently still valid and necessary
  210. message at
    selfthinker
    +?
  211. message at
    flam
    It has been remove from firefox UI 6 years ago for the reason people accidently activated it.
  212. message at
    flam
    +d
  213. message at
    selfthinker
    why did you have it activated? one point you mentioned earlier that only people who know what they're doing would activate it ... does that mean you didn't know what you were doing? ;-)
  214. message at
    flam
    I think we misunderstood each other, I dont activated this and I never had a Problem with this.
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  216. message at
    selfthinker
    oh, okay ... when you said there was a "problem with js and the toolbar" and you were "one of the 26", I assumed you were on that page because you had the same problem
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  218. message at
    flam
    I meant the 26 people who visited the page probably searched for another, js related problem, with the toolbar.
  219. message at
    flam
    I was one of 26 because I read the whole tips section to prepare for cleanup
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    selfthinker
    ah, okay ... yes, sorry, it was a misunderstanding then
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  223. message at
    selfthinker
    I'm currently looking at what's causing the top page load times on dokuwiki.org => https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvX3kzm93UhndHZSaWNaVjlCLTlTcXZOdG9LWDNzX2c
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    selfthinker
    so far I found that screenshots are a common source of problems ... fetch.php doesn't seem to cache some external images (it return a 302) ... any ideas why?
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  226. message at
    selfthinker
    e.g. on :dokuinstall there are two such images
  227. message at
    selfthinker
    ... and it won't change after a (soft) reload, so when the images should be cached in the browser, but apparently are not
  228. message at
    selfthinker
    a better example because it's just one single file: https://www.dokuwiki.org/lib/exe/fetch.php?hash=2f0b26&w=80&media=http%3A%2F%2Fi.minus.com%2Fj7ezspI1Xb9n6.png
  229. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, my chrome network inspector seems to be broken ... it reports it lasted 8.2 *days*!? o.O
  230. message at
    flam
    it returns a wrong expire date
  231. message at
    flam
    http://www.artduweb.com/artduweb_screenshot.png
  232. message at
    flam
    Expires Thu, 19 Nov 1981 08:52:00 GMT
  233. message at
    flam
    maybe this and the nocache header
  234. message at
    selfthinker
    okay, that explains why the browser doesn't cache it ... but does fetch.php respect those headers as well?
  235. message at
    flam
    mom
  236. message at
    Klap-in
    selfthinker: i looked last on https://github.com/splitbrain/dokuwiki/blob/master/lib/scripts/linkwiz.js i know sofar that when i have a function, i can use it with new to make new objects of it (sorry for not correct terms), but linkwiz isn't function, so that doesn't work. It has before that also hard code links to itself, so i can not reuse linkwiz on other places. is it an idea to rewrite linkwiz so i can use it in more situations?
  237. message at
    selfthinker
    I saw that fetch.php returns 302 if the "download failed"
  238. message at
    flam
    media_get_from_url() returns false if cache is disabled
  239. message at
    flam
    dont know if it respects the header from the other server
  240. message at
    selfthinker
    yeah, just saw that as well ... hmm, how can we change that people use non-caching images?
  241. message at
    selfthinker
    that basically means that one single rogue plugin or other screenshot means that a whole page has to suffer (where those get aggregated like templates, plugins, dokuinstall, etc)
  242. message at
    selfthinker
    Klap-in, I'm not sure what you're trying to do?
  243. message at
    flam
    mhh there is also a a timeout of 25 ms and a filesize in media_image_download() if this fails media_get_from_url() fails and this causes a 302 redirect
  244. message at
    flam
    as far as i see a not or slow responding server causes a redirect
  245. message at
    selfthinker
    ok
  246. message at
    selfthinker
    although, the ones I tested were quite quick if accessed directly ... but I can imagine there will be a few slow ones out there, too
  247. message at
    Klap-in
    selfthinker: i like to use the linkwiz for a input field of bureaucracy and data plugin. But linkwiz is loaded at the initializing for the edit window, and has hardcode links to itself. So i guess i cannot clone it for my purpose.
  248. message at
    selfthinker
    I can imagine the authors of the link wizard meant to make it so it can be re-used ... but it's also possible they failed ;-) ... so, if it cannot be re-used, open a bug report
  249. message at
    selfthinker
    or better: send a pull request
  250. message at
    selfthinker
    because it makes absolutely sense to be reusable
  251. message at
    flam
    Which is the right namespace to create a draft? I would like to clone the "main window" article to play around with the layout.
  252. message at
    selfthinker
    playground, I'd say
  253. message at
    flam
    okay, thanks
  254. message at
    flam
    something wrong with :dokuinstall ?
  255. message at
    Klap-in
    flam: ?purge=true fixed it...
  256. message at
    Klap-in
    so something with caching..
  257. message at
    Klap-in
    why at HakanS this: https://www.dokuwiki.org/dokuinstall:fleen.org
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  259. message at
    Klap-in
    err: at=added
  260. message at
    Michitux
    hm, is there any reason why the "Get involved" link in the sidebar has a completely different target page than the "Get involved" link on the start page?
  261. message at
    Michitux
    (I think both should point to the getting involved page)
  262. message at
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    Michitux: make sense, i think
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  267. message at
    Michitux
    Klap-in: I've just changed it (didn't know I could do that, must have been changed recently...)
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  269. message at
    Klap-in
    Michitux and selfthinker i'm trying to improve my knownledge on javascript, do you have maybe good readings on internet on this? especially i'm looking for a more fundamental understanding of objects/functions
  270. message at
    selfthinker
    e.g. http://helephant.com/2008/08/17/how-javascript-objects-work/ ... I just picked the first from my very scattered link list
  271. message at
    selfthinker
    I haven't actually read that tutorial, only skimmed it, but it seems to be good
  272. message at
    Michitux
    hm, what's still on my to read list is the book "javascript the good parts", so I can't tell you if it's actually good, but maybe it is (if a book is okay for you)
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  275. message at
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    hmm, for the first time in my life I just did a google books search of the term "dokuwiki" ... I am surprised by the big number! (of books not necessarily about dokuwiki, but which are at least mentioning it)
  276. message at
    GeekShadow
    hello
  277. message at
    GeekShadow
    i'm looking for the lightbox plugin used on dokuwiki.org ^^
  278. message at
    GeekShadow
    I tried plugin:gallery but it's not working
  279. message at
    selfthinker
    can you please elaborate on "it's not working"? what exactly is not working?
  280. message at
    GeekShadow
    the lightbox preview of template in the dokuwiki repo
  281. message at
    GeekShadow
    in my own install
  282. message at
    GeekShadow
    *dokuwiki plugins repo
  283. message at
    GeekShadow
    I see directly the image instead of lightbox
  284. message at
    GeekShadow
    code seems not loaded in http://localhost/doku/lib/exe/js.php
  285. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, okay ... but otherwise it is working for a gallery?
  286. message at
    selfthinker
    you mean the script.js and/or the jquery.prettyPhoto.js is not loading? did you clear all caches, touch local.php, etc?
  287. message at
    GeekShadow
    selfthinker, how do I empty dw cache ?
  288. message at
    selfthinker
    by touching conf/local.php
  289. message at
    selfthinker
    see devel:caching#purging_the_cache
  290. message at
    GeekShadow
    selfthinker, ok lightbox work on a classic gallery
  291. message at
    GeekShadow
    but it seems dw.org use an older version of gallery plugin
  292. message at
    selfthinker
    might well be ... I can have a quick look to see how old it is
  293. message at
    selfthinker
    hmm, date: "2009-10-07"
  294. message at
    GeekShadow
    the code in my js.php is not the same code that dw.org give for lightbox
  295. message at
    GeekShadow
    the only lightbox reference I have is jQuery(function(){jQuery("a.lightbox").prettyPhoto
  296. message at
    selfthinker
    yes indeed, that's not on dokuwiki.org
  297. message at
    selfthinker
    as you can see, it is not lightbox, but prettyPhoto ... not sure what it is/was in the 2009 version
  298. message at
    GeekShadow
    ok, well I will check this a bit later
  299. message at
    GeekShadow
    not sure if we have to update either the gallery or pluginrepo plugin
  300. message at
    Michitux
    I think in order to get the same thing as on dokuwiki.org you need to downgrade the gallery plugin
  301. message at
    Michitux
    or maybe it's even not a standard gallery plugin installation ;)
  302. message at
    Michitux
    but I think it should be easy to adapt the new gallery plugin to provide a lightbox for template screenshots
  303. message at
    selfthinker
    but you should still be able to use prettyPhoto with the plugin-repo by just adding this to script.js => jQuery(function(){ jQuery("a [rel=lightbox]).prettyPhoto(); });
  304. message at
    selfthinker
    Michitux, there's nothing wrong with the gallery plugin ... I think it was just working automatically for the plugin-repo because the markup used to be the same (`<a ref="lightbox" .../>`)
  305. message at
    Michitux
    selfthinker: yes, that's indeed very likely
  306. message at
    Michitux
    in your code, shouldn't it be a[rel.. (without space)?
  307. message at
    selfthinker
    yes
  308. message at
    selfthinker
    ... and the second time I wrote "ref", which should obviously be "rel"
  309. message at
    selfthinker
    I just looked further, the gallery always had the class "lightbox" and used to have rel="lightbox", now (since the introduction of prettyPhoto in June this year) it has a "lightbox[gal-'.substr(md5($ID),4).']" ... so, my above code needs to be changed to: ...
  310. message at
    selfthinker
    jQuery(function(){ jQuery("a[rel^=lightbox]).prettyPhoto(); });
  311. message at
    selfthinker
    ... untested
  312. message at
    selfthinker
    jQuery(function(){ jQuery("a [rel=lightbox]").prettyPhoto(); }); <= a second quotation mark should help ;-)
  313. message at
    selfthinker
    argh, wrong again, but you get the gist
  314. message at
    selfthinker
    final? jQuery(function(){ jQuery("a[rel^=lightbox]").prettyPhoto(); });
  315. message at
    selfthinker
    or alternatively, you can simply give all screenshots in the plugin-repo the class "lightbox" :)
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    [dokuwiki] kazmiya opened pull request #146: Fix useless use of $auth->isCaseSensitive() in auth_aclcheck() (master...2012_11_AclCaseSensitiveFix) http://git.io/N74khg
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